Sizability for Root 4

Hello dear Root CNC - Community :grin: !

I hope that I didn’t overread any existing information but I am struggiling a bit currently.
I want to build a CNC machine based on Nema 17 steppers (52 N. cm) and an Arduino Mega 2560 with a RAMPS 1.4 (I recently srapped my old printer) with no belt driven axis so I need a system with lead srews. Thats why the Root 4 came to my attention.
My desired working area is aprox. 100cm by 75cm.

On the HP there is a calculator for the sizes of the Root 3. What about the Root 4? Can I size it down/up like I want it to be? Can i re-use the calculator from the Root 3? And can I even use the Nema 17 motors on the Root 4?

(P.S.: I’m sorry for my bad grammar/spelling, I’m not a native english speaker :sweat:.)

I hope someone can help me, because I am really looking forward to this project, especially because I’m a mechanical engineering student soon :slightly_smiling_face: .

Hi Maggi,

If I’m honest - you really need the NEMA23s recommend in the BOM for the Root 4 - whilst you can use them on the Root 3, I wouldn’t really recommend it. It’ll lead to headaches and poor performance.

If you’re set on lead screws for motion - please check out the Root 4 Lite Machine on Github - this uses the NEMA 17 motors and works rather well - not too sure it’ll scale well to 100x75cm thought!

On the Github, there are size calculators for the machines - the Root 4 can be seen here:

It might be worth looking between the Root 4 and the Root 4 Lite machines - I hope that helps :slight_smile:

Hello Pete!

I really thank you for your advice! :grin:
I think i will build a Root 4 Lite in a slightly smaller size than 75cm x 1m.
After studying your Excel sheet I think i will go for 650mm by 980mm, because thats still enough for my uses and it’s your rated maximum :slightly_smiling_face: .

I wanted to fit a Vevor spindle in there, do you have any experiences with this company?
for example:

As a Driver:

VEVOR 2.2KW 3HP Single To 3 Phase Variable Frequency Drive Inverter VFD VSD 220V 10A | VEVOR UK

As the spindle:

I will soon start printing this and will share it over Instagram an as a Make on Thingiverse :smile: .
I really love your wirk! Keep on, you are building wonderful stuff right here!

Hey Maggi,

Please do tag me on Instagram! I love to see all the posts and builds of these machine!

I’ve never used this company but have seen them about. I think most of these spindles are pretty much all the same, so you cant go too wrong.

Few things I’ve noted over the past:
1- ER16 collar can be limiting as the maximum size is 1/4 bit. I think the ER20 will allow you to use 1/2" bits - which is very ideal in my mind.
2- contrary to other users - I find the air cooled ones better, easier to install and cheaper to run and no need for any water cooling.
3- the 80mm Diameter body does make them very heavy, although I’ve not got any experience with them on a Root CNC - I think some users have beefed up their axis (PS the one you linked will not fit on the Root 4 Lite)

I hope that helps!

Hello Pete!

I’ll do this definetly :grin: ! I will now start to print the parts and I’ll order the side plates from your shop. I already bought a wooden baseplate.

1-I will defintely buy an ER20 one then, which is more ideal for me anyways - thanks for metioning this, I guess I would have regognized it way too late.

2-I will stick to the Aircooled one’s, due to other threads I already read about this. But I also don’t want to mess around with water cooled systems - its too complex for my needs.

3-Oh! I didnt realize this, I guess I will stick with 65mm spindles, they deliver enough power for my needs :slightly_smiling_face: .

I am really thankful for your advice Pete. I am very stoked to build my Root 4 Lite! :laughing:
I’ll update you via Instagram!

Hey,

I’ve got you order, thank you - I’ll process that over the weekend!

I didn’t realise at the time and I do miss not having a full 1/2 collect.

if all you’re interesting in machining woods over metals - then the 65mm 24k RPM spindle do just fine. if you were to do metals - then the lower RPM spindle would be more appealable due to their lower down torque.

Hey,

wonderful, I’m already printing the nessecary parts :grin: .
Then I’ll look out for a 1/2" collect. Yeah a main goal is to machine metal, which kind of RPM would you reccomend then?